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The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« on: December 24, 2010, 06:37:09 am »
Check your owners manual. Or do like the rest of us and just pick one randomly.

Option 3..
Ask 3rdgenlxi what he uses, His F4i has over 200,000 miles and uses most of the same engine parts from the original motor.

Mobil 1 Full synthetic IIRC.

Now go ride the pisss out of it so you can tell us were wrong.




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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2010, 06:39:08 am »
mobil  1 full synthetic here
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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2010, 11:41:09 am »
mobil  1 full synthetic here

Mobile 4T race oil in my bikes ... I imagine its the exact same thing as Mobile 1 lol
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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2010, 04:20:02 pm »
i been using the mobil one but i dont really think i like it... my opinion.... i like the hrc stuff

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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2010, 04:32:17 pm »
There are alot of mis conceptions about oil. car oil is fine as long as it doesn't use friction modifiers. Some of the best oil you can use will have zink or ZDDP additives. That's why alot of track guys will use Rotella. Old style oil that still uses zink. But doesn't have the detergents like in some of the other oils. Which means you have to really stay on top of oil changes. In example after each track day. Zink helps oil stick to cam journals bearings and lobs better. 

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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2010, 06:14:45 pm »
rotella synthetic .. and i seem to get better milage out of it than the motorcycle oils i have used  .... but i dont do track or ride extra hard so i dont know how it holds up in those situations

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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2010, 01:33:13 pm »
   
Pulled from the Mobil 1 Web Site: http://www.mobiloil.com/usa-english/motoroil/oils/Motorcycle_Oil_FAQs.aspx#FAQs2


FAQs for Motorcycle Oil:

What was the reason for the formulation change to the Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40?
So how is Mobil 1 for passenger cars different from Mobil 1 for motorcycles?
What are the overall advantages of Mobil 1 motorcycle oils?
Okay. Let's start with Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40. What does it offer that Mobil 1 for cars does not?
What about Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 motor oil? How is that different from Mobil 1 for passenger cars?
The owner's manual says I should change the oil every 5,000 miles or once a year. I change my oil every 2,500 miles or twice a year. So why do I need that kind of protection?
What happened to Mobil 1 Racing 2T?
Why did you change the name of Mobil 1 MX4T 10W-40 to Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40? Is the product formulation different?
What was the reason for the formulation change to the Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40?
Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 is an internationally available product and, as such, represents advanced global technology. With the release of the recent JASO motorcycle standard (MA 2006), an opportunity was presented to again upgrade the Mobil 1 Racing 4T formulation such that it continues to meet and/or exceed the latest industry and OEM standards for motorcycles.
 
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So how is Mobil 1 for passenger cars different from Mobil 1 for motorcycles?
First, let's be clear about Mobil 1's overall benefits compared to those of conventional motor oils, whether for passenger cars or motorcycles:

    * Superior long-term engine protection.
    * Superior high-temperature stability.
    * Excellent low-temperature starting.
    * Outstanding engine performance.
    * Low volatility/low oil consumption

It's a little hard to generalize about the difference between Mobil 1 passenger-car motor oils and Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. That's because not all viscosities of Mobil 1 passenger-car oils have the same levels of zinc and phosphorus, and there are even greater differences among the three Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. In general, Mobil 1 motorcycle oils have:

    * Additive packages balanced differently for motorcycle engine and transmission operation. For passenger vehicles, fuel economy and emission system protection are higher priorities. These require low phosphorus systems and the use of friction modifiers. Motorcycle oils do not require friction modifiers for fuel economy and for better clutch friction less/no friction modifier is optimum. Motorcycle oils allow the use of higher levels of antiwear additives such as ZDDP (phosphorous).

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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2010, 05:51:00 pm »
So I made the right choice then :)
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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2010, 01:38:37 am »
ill use the mobile 1 full synthetic when i get the new bike. it did a great job in the gsxr.
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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2010, 07:57:58 pm »
I'm working on a deal with Mobil 1 for the shop. Let's hope they don't want an arm and both legs like Tucker Rocky and Parts Unlimited to set up an account.

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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2010, 08:33:57 pm »
no joke, parts unlimited is like a 5k buy in. that's retarded. curt and i have check on that on for ourselves.
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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2011, 05:34:26 pm »
As an owner of a finely crafted Italian motorcycle, a Moto Guzzi V7classic, it is recommended by Luigi  8) at the Mandello Moto Guzzi factory to use only "Pompeian Extra Virgin Cold Pressed Olive Oil". ;D

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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2011, 07:02:38 pm »
I use mobil 1 racing 4t

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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2011, 01:34:30 am »
I use Rotella T full synth. it works great.

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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2011, 01:15:22 pm »
Holy Crap :27

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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2011, 02:03:31 am »
HEY...^^Thats what I said too ... $$$
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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2011, 10:13:39 pm »
 Thread were they took apart oil filters and seen which one is the best....


http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterStudy.html

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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2011, 12:55:55 am »
Here is the deal.

The oil can be great,, pass the 4 ball bearing test, oil evap. test, and so on with flying colors.

but here is my thoughts,,,,

One of the hardest things on earth is carbon. Carbon is what turns oil black. Carbon is a natural byproduct of the combustion that takes place inside the combustion chamber. You really need to get that micro-fine carbon out of the engine and no oil filter is going to be able to catch it... If it could,,, then your engine oil would be as clear as when you pored it out of the bottle and into your engine. This carbon is what wears on things like Cam lobes, bearings, gears, and cam journals. The only way to get carbon out of the engine is to change the oil. Changing the oil every 3000 miles (for normal automotive engines IE: car and light trucks) is fine but, I've always changed the oil in my performance motorcycles at 1000 to 1500 miles. Now my Goldwing I change every 3000 miles. This is due to the fact I'm not pushing it high into the RPM rang like my RC-51 (current wip) or the R-6 I used to race back in the day.

Do I think oil technology has come a very long way in the last 10 years, why,, yes. But they still have not come up with a way to trap and retain those micro fine particles of carbon within the oil filter.

I guess my question to the oil makers is what is the clearance between my cams and cam journals and is the carbon particles 1 / 10th the size or smaller than the clearance?

I've been doing my own research and I think I'm going to go with Amsoil on my next oil change with the Goldwing and change the oil filter every 3000 miles. After all they are claiming 25,000 miles between oil changes,,,,, but my question is still with the oil filter.

Also to touch on the oil filter,, most all filters are mechanical in nature. They have a bypass built into them so they open when the oil is very thick (ie: cold starts). Can an oil filter spring last for 25,000 miles, and what about the sealing surface of the diaphragm.

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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2011, 05:05:53 pm »
I'm gonna change the Oil in a few weeks.. this has been some helpful stuff

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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2011, 04:46:57 pm »
hey Bryan, what you getting for amsoil right now? per quart/gallon??
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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2011, 05:04:29 pm »
Thread were they took apart oil filters and seen which one is the best....


http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterStudy.html
Just got around to reading that link..  Lots to read on that site, Some pretty nifty stuff.

As for Oil filters.....
He rates the 2 best filters and there both sold at Walmart.  Strangly I started using the supertech (walmart brand) filter for my VFR.  For those wondering there are actually 2 sizes that fit alot of honda Bikes and cars alike. A shorty and a long one, IIRC the web site lists the short one. I havve the short one on my bike now and a long version waiting to go on it at next oil change. I will try n let you know how the clearance is with the Pipes when I put it on.
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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2011, 07:35:58 pm »
^^ My Gixxer is the same. 2 diff size filters will go on it. But with a large tube race style header you can only get the short one to fit...
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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2011, 06:01:08 pm »
<---YAMALUBE   :21 kinda like KY for most of you guys  :23

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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2011, 08:52:50 pm »
i saw a test that a fellow did and said mobile 1 was the best car oil for a bike , this was a independent motorcyclist/chemist who tested all car and bike oils in his own bikes ,a v 65 magna  , so i don't think he would flub and fix his findings , his findings were that mobile 1 was first , only mobile 1 exceeded the 2500 mile mark without breaking down , then he tested both mobile 1 and other bike oils and found they resisted breakdown no better than the car oils even with the different formulation ,they just had more detergent and anti gumming agents added in , i have used castrol gtx 20/50 car oil since got my first bike , i have tried mobile 1 and castrol bike oils , now i use mobile 1 bike oil just because i can be sure that it doesn't have additives that will make my clutch slip , i think most any good bike oil will work as long as it is changed every 3000 miles . 
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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2011, 09:25:11 pm »
IIRC thirdgenlxi uses the Mobil 1 full synthetic car oil in his F4I.  search for his EPIC crash rebuild where he tore his motor down (180,000 miles IIRC) and it was in better spec than the 20,000 mile motor he bought used. During the rebuild he used as much of the original motor as he could.  Even the cross hatching on the cylinder walls was still visible..  I will see if I can find the thread on another forum.
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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2011, 11:57:49 pm »
great read , well i guess i will just be buying 10/40 synthetic mobile 1 car oil from now on, save money and work  ... :18
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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2011, 07:14:29 pm »
thats all i use. mobil 1 10/40, 10/30. which ever one i grab
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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2011, 01:46:30 pm »
what a great read! Much Props givin to him to stick with it and be patient.  To go through with a fine tooth comb to see which parts were still usable from the original motor was great to see, even though they had a lot more miles on them, he took care of them and they were in better condition! Great job n great read!

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Re: The Official "What Oil Should I Use" thread
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2011, 02:15:43 pm »
what a great read! Much Props givin to him to stick with it and be patient.  To go through with a fine tooth comb to see which parts were still usable from the original motor was great to see, even though they had a lot more miles on them, he took care of them and they were in better condition! Great job n great read!

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His bike now has well over 200,000 on the odometer and his car "Honda Accord" has over 400,000.

Really says something for "Regular Maintenance"
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